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Podcast with Brew Hoop Parts 2 + 3

18 Tuesday Mar 2014

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I haven’t had time to post recently as I have been busy preparing for the conference and NCAA tournaments.  I will try to create a prospect guide for the tourney before tip off Thursday, but for now enjoy parts 2 + 3 of my podcast with Brew Hoop:

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Podcast with Brew Hoop: Part 1

10 Monday Mar 2014

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Brew Hoop, Frank Madden, Steven Von Horn

Yesterday afternoon I had the pleasure of recording a podcast with Frank Madden and Steven von Horn of Brew Hoop. They are both sharp, perceptive basketball minds and it was rather enjoyable to discuss the draft with them. The podcast will be split into 3 or 4 parts that will be released over the course of this week. Here is a direct link to their site where you can stream part 1 (which focuses on Andrew Wiggins) and read more detail.

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High School Scouts Say The Darndest Things

05 Wednesday Mar 2014

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Andrew Harrison, Andrew Wiggins, Julius Randle, LeBron James, Noah Vonleh, Russell Westbrook, Zach LaVine

When discussing draft prospects, it seems that people are often afraid to confidently assert that the scouts who drive the consensus are flat out wrong.  This surprises me, since they have been wrong to hilarious degrees in the past, and will continue to be wrong going forward.  They were able to recognize that LeBron James was a fairly awesome prospect, so that establishes that at least they have operative eyesight.  But they also thought that Darko Milicic was half a notch below LeBron as a prospect, even though he never possessed any basketball playing ability of note.  VJL recently made an excellent post on the irrelevance of hype, and I’d like to highlight some qualitative examples to show where high school scouts badly missed the mark.

Many scouts are woefully bad at assessing prospect skill level, especially in watching them go against high school competition. A recent example is UCLA’s Zach LaVine, when Chad Ford noted that a few scouts called him “Russell Westbrook with a jump shot.” Of course the only things LaVine has in common with Russell are his leaping ability and his decision to attend UCLA. Granted, he doesn’t get to show off much of his PG skill with Kyle Anderson and his virtuoso passing ability running the offense. But he also isn’t trusted enough as the backup PG, as those duties fall to Bryce Alford. And his assist rate (13.8%) doesn’t stand out from UCLA’s other wings as Jordan Adams (14.0%) and Norman Powell (12.7%) who are definitely not PG’s have similar assist rates. Ford notes that LaVine has a propensity to look for his shot instead of passing, but the fact of the matter is that he hardly has any dribble penetration skills whatsoever. On the season he is 11/28 on rim FG’s in the half-court offense, only 6’3 non-leaper Bryce Alford has fewer attempts at 10/25. Adams (44/67) Anderson (24/44) and Powell (44/73) all show vastly superior penetration ability. It is possible that his low attempts are due to lack of confidence in finishing in traffic given his thin build, but his handles look awfully pedestrian to me. He appears to be a SG through and through.

To bring back the Westbrook comparison, he led his UCLA team in assists as a sophomore in spite of playing a fair amount of SG with Darren Collison running the show. Like LaVine he didn’t get the chance to fully flaunt his PG skills, but at least he flaunted something, as the Thunder drafted him in large part to his strong performance as primary ball handler when Collison was out. LaVine has not begun to display flashes of PG skill, yet Chad Ford writes:

While he isn’t really running the point for UCLA, most scouts who have seen him in high school think he has all the tools to be a NBA point guard down the road

Why do they believe this? I don’t know, maybe they saw him dribble down the open court and finish spectacularly in transition and wrote down “POINT GOD” in their scrapbooks. If he develops his handles and passing at an inordinate rate then maybe he could be a PG, but to weigh that as a significant possibility at this stage is wishful thinking. Comparing him to Westbrook is silly so long as they have such an inordinate gap in PG skills, but many scouts are bad at deducing these sort of gaping differences so they wouldn’t know any better.

Now you may be thinking that while scouts may not be experts on deducing basketball playing ability, you gotta give credit to their ability to eye test tools. This is also wrong. Let’s take Noah Vonleh, in November of 2011 DraftExpress writes:

Standing a legit 6-8, with a 7-3 wingspan, huge hands, a terrific frame and excellent athleticism, Vonleh does not look like your typical 16-year old.

I imagine that the “excellent athleticism” was simply a commonly held belief in HS scoutings circles, as his ESPN recruiting profile notes that his “physical intangibles” include “extraordinarily long arms and bounce.” While he has done well as a freshman for Indiana, it is not due to leaping ability, as Vonleh has struggled to finish at the rim in spite of his size and length due to lackluster athleticism. To DX’s credit, they noticed that the initial assertion was incorrect and in their recent scouting video note that Vonleh is “not a leaper” and list lack of explosiveness as a weakness. But the bottom line is that HS scouts are not specially trained to deduce physical tools, and when they see a super long player like Vonleh dunking or blocking a shot, they conflate his impressive use of length with athleticism.  Consequently, it is not safe to take their tool assessments entirely at face value.

Now let’s see what ESPN’s recruiting service said about Julius Randle’s future:

His reputation as a good person and hard worker will aid him as he hopes to improve and stave off competitian for his slot

This is part of a short writeup on the #2 prospect in America, and they couldn’t even spell “competition” correctly.  I know this strays from basketball analysis, but most of their writeups do appear to have been translated from English to Estonian and back to English using Google translation.  Here’s their bottom line on Andrew Harrison:

Bottom Line:
He raises the level of play on his team because he leads by example with a competitive nature, focus and battle tested toughness. At his size he has blossoming lead guard skills and is terrific at making plays. What separates him from the rest is in his pace of play. His game is like a stop light he can go from green to yellow to red all in a moments notice.

Maybe I’m being harsh, but when a scout’s writing is barely literate, it makes it that much harder to trust their “expertise.” That isn’t valid basketball analysis– it more closely resembles a child’s attempt at writing poetry.

For all intents and purposes, high school scouts are casual fans who try their best to offer their best NBA projections of high school prospects.  Aside from the fact that extrapolating a player from high school to the pros is exceptionally difficult, it’s not a particularly prestigious position and does not attract the sharpest basketball minds. They are smart enough to know that LeBron James is great when they see him play, but they also have a number of baffling false positives.  If any of us actually met a collection of high school scouts and had the opportunity to pick their brains, I doubt we would come away with the sensation that they possess any sort of expert wisdom that we lack.

In order to maximize efficiency in prospect analysis, stuff like pedigree and hype should be almost entirely disregarded.  There may be exceptions for a player like Bradley Beal who was reputed as an elite shooter but ran cold from outside as a college freshman.  But when top prospects such as Andrew Wiggins or Julius Randle show troubling signs for their future, people seem slow to accept the relevance of these signs, as they feel that obvious warning signs are superseded by high school hype.  The bottom line is scouts don’t have any advantage over an intelligent basketball fan in information (at least not once we get a sizable college sample), analytical ability, or even expertise in assessing tools.  Personally I try to glean why they felt the way they did, take the perceived strengths for what they are worth, and then discard all bottom line conclusions as it is only noise that will dilute my own analysis.  Giving any more credence than that only leads to skewed perceptions and wrong conclusions.

McDaniels vs Hood video directory

20 Monday Jan 2014

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McDaniels guarding Hood
0:04 Hood drives on KJ. Help is there, KJ is there, Hood attempts the layup anyway and gets blocked. Bad decision by Hood.
0:08 Hood sets a screen and then receives a screen that slows down KJ. Hood gets a wide open jumper and misses.
0:14 Hood gets a screen at the top of the key. KJ goes under and his teammate switches but Hood rolls in the 3 point shot.
0:21 KJ fights around a screen to contest a Hood 3 pointer that is made. Excellent defense by KJ, impressive shot by Hood.
0:27 Hood drives into KJ but cannot get past him, so instead steps back and misses a 3 pointer.
0:40 KJ gets screened, 6’10 Landry Nnoko switches onto Hood, and Hood nicely hits a short jumper over the big man’s outstretched arms.
0:46 KJ begins guarding point guard Quinn Cook. First he denies Cook the ball, then on a second attempt Cook receives it. KJ fights around a screen to stay with him, and cuts off his drive. Then he helps on Hood’s shot attempt, and even though he bites on the pump fake he reaches his other hand back to contest and Hood misses. Excellent effort by KJ.
1:07 Hood tries to drive on KJ but simply can’t get past him and has to pull up for a contested hook shot and misses. More great defense by KJ.
1:20 Hood catches ball behind the arc, KJ closes out nicely and Hood rushes his move and loses control of the ball. To Hood’s credit, he hustles to save the ball to Jabari Parker for a good look from 3 that misses.
1:30 Hood begins to drive on KJ but by now he has discovered he can’t get past him and swings it back to Cook

Hood guarding McDaniels
1:39 KJ drives on Hood and pulls up. Hood keeps going way too far and gives KJ several feet of space. KJ makes the short, open jumper.
1:45 Hood stands too close to KJ and KJ blows by him for a layup and a foul.
2:04 KJ drives on Hood, and Hood does a decent job of staying in front of him but gets called for a foul.  KJ gets free throws.
2:09 Hood gets screened and KJ pulls up and bricks a long 2 as Jabari Parker contests on the switch.
2:14 KJ catches Hood ball watching, cuts to the hoop, gets a nice feed, and finishes.

Hood Other Offense
2:27 Hood drives into Ibrahim Djambo and finishes through the contact for a basket and foul.
2:34 Hood hits a catch and shoot 3 pointer.
2:39 Damarcus Harrison dares the lefty Hood to go right, Hood obliges by blowing by him for a dunk.
2:47 Hood drives on Jaron Blossomgame and pulls up and hits the short jumper

McDaniels Other Defense
3:04 KJ switches onto PG Quinn Cook, Cook blows by him and dishes to a cutting Jabari Parker for an easy dunk.
3:12 KJ shows quick hands to poke away a pass for a steal that officially gets credited to Jaron Blossomgame who caught the tip.
3:18 KJ cuts off Cook’s baseline drive on the switch, which forces Cook to make a tough behind the back pass to Amile Jefferson who gets fouled for FT’s.
3:27 KJ unsuccessfully crashes the offensive boards, but still gets back to block the transition layup attempt by Cook.
3:37 KJ helps on a Jabari Parker drive to block the shot. He shows excellent timing as he waits until Parker is committed to the layup and then explodes to the rim.
3:44 KJ matches up on guard Rasheed Sulaimon who drives to the rim, but KJ hangs with him and uses his size advantage and timing to block his layup attempt.

McDaniels Other Offense
3:55 KJ blows by Andre Dawkins (who may be Duke’s only worse defensive player than Hood) for an easy layup.
4:01 KJ cannot get by Rasheed Sulaimon, but is able to pull up and shoot over him and hit the short jumper.
4:10 Once again KJ cannot get by Sulaimon but is bailed out with a borderline foul call and gets free throws.
4:19 KJ hits a catch and shoot 3 pointer.
4:24 KJ blows by point guard Tyler Thornton for a layup and a foul.
4:31 KJ caps off Clemson’s victory with an explosive tip dunk.

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